lujlp demonstrates that not only are religious people and atheists theoretically equally capable of behaving morally, they are equally incapable of reading for comprehension and understanding differences between different things they're arguing about:
I emphasize society because it is one thing to create a secular, very limited state. It is quite another to create a secular society, in which religion has been all but purged from public life as though it were something monstrous. Ironically, there has never been a religion or theocracy more murderous and oppressive than many of the secular states of the 20th century. The Soviet Union alone, probably systematically murdered more people in the 20th than could ever be attributed to the catholic church and Islam put together.
That was me.
This is lujlp:
MikeT you're obviously not using your brain. The USSR existed from 1922 to 1991 - a total of 69 yrs, do you actually think that one country in 69 yrs was responsible for more deaths then the combined 3500 yrs that Islam and Christianity have been around?
The inquisition, more than 10 crusades, the eradication of tens of millions of American Indians in the 1500s.
Do you even bother to think before you make such monumentally stupid claims??
1) Arguing about religion on the basis of combined age actually reduces the average fatalities that could be blamed on them. For example, let's say that official Christian and Islamic bodies wiped out 300,000,000 people for having the wrong views and things like that. Let's say that the Soviet Union killed 30,000,000 when you combine all of its citizens massacred in all of its state-sponsored killings such as Stalin's purges and the Ukrainian famine. Do the math. Which is a worse deaths/year ratio? 300,000,000 (which is unhistorically high)/3,500 or 30,000,000/69 years? Atheists, you silly overachievers! 300,000,000 divided by 3,500 is 85,714 people murdered by Christianity and Islam every year of those 3,500 combined years. 30,000,000 divided by 69 is 434,782 people murdered every year by the Soviet Union. What's worse, is that if you add up the total number of people murdered in every great, coercive communist experiment, it comes out to around 1,000,000 people per year, and that's being generous by giving the atheist communists an extra 17 years of the 20th century to dilute the damage.
Even if you bring the impossible death toll of 300,000,000 down to 2,000 years and attribute it all to Christianity, that still comes out to nearly 300,000 fewer deaths per year than those that could be attributed to the great atheist communist experiment in the Soviet Union.
Adding to the irony is the act that there are scriptural commands against virtually all of the evils attributed by many atheists to Christianity. In other words, the religion itself cannot even be blamed because the scripture itself, which is the religion, is against the very actions that are being condemned.
I fully recognize that you cannot attribute all of these murders to atheism either. I am simply using many atheists' own game against them. I am merely observing that if you can blame all of the deaths carried out by misguided and nominal Christians, and people pretending to be Christians on Christianity, you can logically blame atheism for all of the evils carried out by officially atheist regimes and atheist individuals.
2) The infamous Spanish Inquisition was initiated by the Spanish Government. Sayeth Wikipedia, that oh so religion-friendly body of social production: Ferdinand II of Aragon pressured pope Sixtus IV to agree to letting him set up an Inquisition controlled by the monarchy by threatening to withdraw military support at a time when the Turks were a threat to Rome.
3) Measles and Smallpox, those infamous religious zealots conspired to wipe out the poor American Indians. What? Smallpox and Measles are diseases, not people? Guess that answers that question. You can no more call the millions of disease-inflected deaths in the New World a religion-inflicted crime than you can call AIDS "God's Cure for Homosexuality."
4) I bother to think and learn. That is why I can speak with more authority than your average atheist who sounds like he got his education from the backs of cereal boxes.
Then, there was this gem in the previous post:
I have asked many actvly religious people this same question. Only phrased slightly differently ie "if you could kill (the anti-christ/Hitler/Stalin/Jusda Iscariot) as a child to prevent the evil they did would you?
Many said yes, more than half infact. Seems "moral" religious types fail is peice of crap senario as well as those "immoral" atheits
A fine example of failing to read for comprehension! And a healthy dose of jumping to conclusions as a wonderful side benefit. Such generosity is seldom seen in this dark age. The post had nothing to do with saying "atheists cannot be moral" or even "atheists aren't moral." It had everything to do with what you can logically base your moral arguments on. In other words, you can base your moral logic on the habits of chimpanzees, and if you still avoid attacking others, that makes you a moral person in that respect. It doesn't mean that it makes one iota of sense to base your moral reasoning on the habits of chimpanzees.
See, this is why I look at a lot of these people and say to myself, "how can you honestly call yourself smarter than any of the religious people you call 'brainwashed?'" Add on that the fact that many religious people would fail that question being irrelevant to the blog post itself and you've got yourself a specimen of not reading for comprehension at all.
In fact, the Bible argues that atheists do know what is right and wrong on some level because God put that knowledge there. It's just been warped. Far from believing that everyone who isn't a Christian is a wild-eyed animal lacking any sense of morality, we believe that they know what is right and wrong. Paul speaks of this a lot in both Romans 1 and 2.