Me: I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the same liberal democrats who shriek about the separation of church and state whenever evangelicals are more politically involved than going to vote to come out and denounce these nuns on similar church-state grounds...
pjhorrex: I think you're confused. Nuns, as citizens of the United States, have every right to write to their lawmakers (publicly or otherwise) about what laws they believe should be passed. One could even argue it is their civic responsibility (just as it is everyone's) to do so.
Politically involved evangelicals are something else entirely. They tell their following how they should vote while paying no taxes, state or federal. It's highly unethical.Me: No, I think **you** are confused. Evangelicals, as US citizens, have every right to discuss politics in church per the 1st amendment: freedom of religion, freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. Not only that, but the average member of those evangelical congregations pays state and federal taxes. Since nuns take vows of poverty, that is virtually impossible for them.
So really, you are just saying a group of mostly tax-paying US citizens trying to exercise 3/5 of the 1st amendment: "you can't get involved because the incorporated entity which owns the build you're in doesn't pay taxes."pjhorrex: I never said evangelicals did not have the right to discuss politics in their churches. I said it was unethical. If evangelical leaders participated in letter writing campaigns to their representatives or held political discussion forums on their own time there would be little (if any) ethical problems.
However, that is not what you were referring to. They preach about politics as the leaders of organizations that do not pay taxes. They attempt to manipulate a system (as an organization) they have no stake in. It is unethical.
Want to lessen the ethics problems? Do away with tax exemption for churches. Then they can preach that Barrack Obama is the Antichrist for all I care.Me: It's still not unethical. The congregation pooled its money together to build the building and hire the pastor. Most of them pay taxes which means that most of the people you are claiming are participating in an unethical process are stakeholders under your own criteria.
The left has no problem with this when it's labor unions that do it or groups like the ACLU and others which send out voter guides to their members. None of those groups pay taxes. Yet I don't hear anyone on the left saying it's unethical for labor unions and groups like the ACLU to go out and suggest how their members should vote.
Pjhorrex is typical of liberals in that he/she gets its panties in a knot at the idea of religious groups organizing and preaching about political subjects. The kindest interpretation of this is that he/she worships legal procedure; it would be ethical for them to have the same conversation at a coffee shop, but apparently, banding together and using personal funds to build a religious organization changes everything. That is clear evidence that it is an undeniable prejudice against religion.